[oxqr]

esse gordão safado tá pra fazer 76 anos e tá há 13 enrolando pra lançar o penúltimo livro
qual a chance de um dia termos acesso ao true final?

[X-MAN]

Pode ser que a queda na qualidade tenha a ver com a saída do sapochnik da direção na segunda temporada (ele participou da primeira)

Chuto que vão fazer a última temporada com uns 6 episódios só. Algo por aí

[queanorrivis]

é uma série mediana de fantasia. ficou famosa e muito overrated por causa de got, além de não termos lá muitas outras boas opções desse gênero.

colocaram pra fazer o capitão dos myrishianos, uma trans super famosa no meio esquerdista, com canal gigante que fala de wokismo e filosofia.

Pode ser que a queda na qualidade tenha a ver com a saída do sapochnik da direção na segunda temporada (ele participou da primeira)

Chuto que vão fazer a última temporada com uns 6 episódios só. Algo por aí

e a maldição de got se repete.

[Starkk]

esse gordão safado tá pra fazer 76 anos e tá há 13 enrolando pra lançar o penúltimo livro
qual a chance de um dia termos acesso ao true final?

Eu acho que ele quer morrer e não entregar o final mesmo, para criar toda uma mística em torno da obra dele.

[A Amadora da Gavea]

esse gordão safado tá pra fazer 76 anos e tá há 13 enrolando pra lançar o penúltimo livro
qual a chance de um dia termos acesso ao true final?

chance nenhuma, vagabundo sabe que nao vai conseguir entregar algo que satisfaça o publico entao melhor nem arriscar, melhor ficar arrumando credito em cima das series que a hbo vai mamar eternamente do que arriscar cagar tudo

[Jordanes do Mar Jônico]

hermeto pascoal ajuda até no lore de elden ring, mas nao finaliza os próprios livros

[Mucamo]

Acabei agora. Bem inferior a 1 mesmo.

[queanorrivis]

é uma boa série pra quem gosta de drama de mulheres empoderadas, lidando com os problemas como marido tóxico e sociedade maxista que não confia no poder de liderança feminina. A carga emocional na relação de rhaenyra e alicent foi a parte mais mais bem trabalhada na série. pra quem gosta, é perfeito.

[Rlim]

[Wukong SSJ]

É, terminou da forma como foi a temporada, bem mais ou menos. Uma coisa boa ali, outra ruim aqui. E que burrice não terem entregado uma batalha grande que está prestes a ocorrer nessa season finale, não sei se faltou orçamento ou só quiseram guardar pro começo da terceira temporada, mas pulta decisão burra. Não sei se foi HBO, roteiristas ou produção, mas que burrada, pois era pra terminar a temporada com uns 30 minutos de uma grandiosa batalha.

Saldo negativo.
Episódio da batalha dos dragões e dos domadores foram ótimos. Os demais 6 episódios deixaram bastante a desejar. Claramente a temporada 1 é superior.

Nota boa: a temporada 3 é literalmente confrontos e mais confrontos, não tem espaço pra esse lenga lenga que a série insistiu nessa temporada 2.
Nota ruim: pelo jeito vão insistir nessa forçada de Alicent/Rhaenyra #girlpower #novadaenerys, algo que não tem nos livros. Elas se odeiam nos livros nessa altura do campeonato se não me engano.

A série continuará tendo boa qualidade pois o material base é bom e tudo que foi estabelecido é bom, o triste é que poderia ser bem melhor se fossem mais fieis aos livros e (provavelmente) detonassem mais o orçamento para entregar mais. A grande batalha dos navios poderia muito bem ter sido a season finale, ficou até estranho inclusive terminarem a temporada de forma tão "meh" ao invés de terem gastado tempo em uma grandiosa batalha que daria um grande finale.

no livro fica isso de todo mundo achar que o sunfyre ta morto tb?

Mudaram na série. No livro está vivo, mas não voa mais. E quem se aproxima dele, ele irá atacar.

[X-MAN]

A coisa mais retardada possível foi forçar pra dizer que no fim tudo é sobre rhaenyra e alicent. Especialmente alicent nessa altura do campeonato é a coisa mais irrelevante do mundo. Nem relação de mãe com filhos ela tem, nem nenhuma influência política, ela não é absolutamente nada. Só deveria mesmo tomar seu banho no mato, dar pra soldado e sumir no mundo.

E todo esse episódio foi feito pra reafirmar rhaenyra como a foderosa das galáxias, bem forçado e desnecessauro. Nem daenerys que teve toda uma quest de sofrimento e conquista de simpatia antes de se tornar poderosa teve um episódio dedicado a ela. Perto dela como profundidade de personagem a rhaenyra não é nada.

Cada vez mais complicado a gente poder gostar de qualquer coisa sem esquentar a cabeça com lixos de bucetismo e viadagens inclusivas

[A Amadora da Gavea]

no livro fica isso de todo mundo achar que o sunfyre ta morto tb?

Mudaram na série. No livro está vivo, mas não voa mais. E quem se aproxima dele, ele irá atacar.

entao, acho que na serie deve ta vivo tb por causa que eh importante pra alguns acontecimentos ai ne mas essa "mentirinha" de falar que ele ta morto pra surpreender depois achei fraca, ai queria saber se no livro fizeram isso tb

[Wukong SSJ]

A impressão que dá é que os produtores/roteiristas acham que o grande sucesso de Game of Thrones é pelo personagem da Daenerys Targaryen e tentam reproduzir um personagem brabo feminino na Raenyra/Alicent

Ao menos que algum cabeça da HBO chegue nos produtores e mande um "esquece essa pourra, foca nos dragões, nas batalhas, no Aemond, no Daemon", a tendência é uma terceira temporada com uns 4 episódios chatos pra caraleo e uns 4 episódios bons focados em batalhas.

[queanorrivis]

esse maluco aqui destruiu demais

[queanorrivis]

[.Kiko.]

A Casa do Dragão | George R. R. Martin diz que coisas deram errado na série


O escritor americano George R. R. Martin, autor de As Crônicas de Gelo & Fogo, fez uma postagem em seu blog um tanto polêmica sobre A Casa do Dragão, série da Max derivada de Game of Thrones. Na postagem, o autor do universo prometeu falar sobre "o que está errado" no seriado.

"Eu não estou ansioso para fazer algumas postagens, que falarão sobre tudo que tem de errado em A Casa do Dragão... Mas eu preciso fazer isso, e eu farei", disse Martin em seu blog pessoal. "Entretanto, não hoje. Hoje é dia de Zozobra, quando nós damos as costas para a melancolia", completou.

O véio vai largar o aço na própria série dele.

[Mucamo]

O que deu de errado foi perder tempos no hospício lá do Daemon 1 temporada inteira. Nada acontecer.

2 temporada fraca demais.

Sem contar a falta de núcleos interessantes. Só tem as 2. Nem os filhos mais delas possuem cenas interessantes (salvo raras como o ataque lá do dragao)

[Wukong SSJ]

Em resumo, o feminismo moderno e a falta de ação da série.

O feminismo moderno influencia demais os produtores a darem destaque para Rhaenyra e Alicent, quando elas não tem esse fucking destaque no conto original. O que influencia diretamente em menos tempo para tramas do Aemond (pega o cargo de Rei e é pouco explorado) e do Daemon (um dos personagens mais famosos do universo GOT é enfiado numa trama horrível temporada inteira )
Faltou personagens, principalmente o anão Cogumelo, que seria um Tyrion mais voltado pro lado cômico. Tiveram medo de escalar um anão e sofrerem algo com isso provavelmente
Tem vários dragões vivos e poucas cenas com eles, economia de CGI pelo visto
Batalhas que foram puladas ou só citadas

Erros tem aos montes.
Continua sendo uma série boa, qualidade HBO e tudo mais, mas o potencial jogado fora é absurdo. Continuar nesse ritmo temporada 3 pode se chamar House of Dragon: Rhaenyra & Alicent Tale. Todo episódio essa amizade delas "ain eu errei eu me sinto mal" sendo que no conto original elas nem tem mais destaque pourra

[Alric]

O véio resolveu ter seu momento George Lucas

Back in July, I promised you some further thoughts about Blood and Cheese… and Maelor the Missing… after my commentary on the first two episodes of HotD season 2, “A Son for a Son” and “Rhaenyra the Cruel.”
Those were terrific episodes: well written, well directed, powerfully acted. A great way to kick off the new season. Fans and critics alike seemed to agree. There was only one aspect of the episodes that drew significant criticism: the handling of Blood and Cheese, and the death of Prince Jaehaerys. From the commentary I saw on line, opinion was split there. The readers of FIRE & BLOOD found the sequence underwhelming, a disappointment, watered down from what they were expecting. Viewers who had not read the book had no such problems. Most of them found the sequence a real gut-punch, tragic, horrifying, nightmarish, etc. Some reported being reduced to tears.
I found myself agreeing with both sides.
In my book, Aegon and Helaena have three children, not two. The twins, Jaehaerys and Jaehaera, are six years old. They have a younger brother, Maelor, who is two. When Blood and Cheese break in on Helaena and the kids, they tell her they are debt collectors come to exact revenge for the death of Prince Lucerys: a son for a son. As Helaena has two sons, however, they demand that she choose which one should die. She resists and offers her own life instead, but the killers insist it has to be a son. If she does not name one, they will kill all three of the children. To save the life of the twins, Helaena names Maelor. But Blood kills the older boy, Jaehaerys, instead, while Cheese tells little Maelor that his mother wanted him dead. (Whether the boy is old enough to understand that is not at all certain).
That’s not how it happens on the show. There is no Maelor in HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, only the twins (both of whom look younger than six, but I am no sure judge of children’s ages, so I can’t be sure how old they are supposed to be). Blood can’t seem to tell the twins apart, so Helaena is asked to reveal which one is the boy. (You would think a glance up his PJs would reveal that, without involving the mother). Instead of offering her own life to save the kids, Helaena offers them a necklace. Blood and Cheese are not tempted. Blood saws Prince Jaehaerys’s head off. We are spared the sight of that; a sound effect suffices. (In the book, he lops the head off with a sword).
It is a bloody, brutal scene, no doubt. How not? An innocent child is being butchered in front of his mother.
I still believe the scene in the book is stronger. The readers have the right of that. The two killers are crueler in the book. I thought the actors who played the killers on the show were excellent… but the characters are crueler, harder, and more frightening in FIRE & BLOOD. In the show, Blood is a gold cloak. In the book, he is a former gold cloak, stripped of his office for beating a woman to death. Book Blood is the sort of man who might think making a woman choose which of her sons should die is amusing, especially when they double down on the wanton cruelty by murdering the boy she tries to save. Book Cheese is worse too; he does not kick a dog, true, but he does not have a dog, and he’s the one who tells Maelor that his mom wants him head. I would also suggest that Helaena shows more courage, more strength in the book, by offering her own own life to save her son. Offering a piece of jewelry is just not the same.
As I saw it, the “Sophie’s Choice” aspect was the strongest part of the sequence, the darkest, the most visceral. I hated to lose that. And judging from the comments on line, most of the fans seemed to agree.
When Ryan Condal first told me what he meant to do, ages ago (back in 2022, might be) I argued against it, for all these reasons. I did not argue long, or with much heat, however. The change weakened the sequence, I felt, but only a bit. And Ryan had what seemed to be practical reasons for it; they did not want to deal with casting another child, especially a two-year old toddler. Kids that young will inevitably slow down production, and there would be budget implications. Budget was already an issue on HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, it made sense to save money wherever we could. Moreover, Ryan assured me that we were not losing Prince Maelor, simply postponing him. Queen Helaena could still give birth to him in season three, presumably after getting with child late in season two. That made sense to me, so I withdrew my objections and acquiesced to the change.
I still love the episode, and the Blood and Cheese sequence overall. Losing the “Helaena’s Choice” beat did weaken the scene, but not to any great degree. Only the book readers would even notice its absence; viewers who had never read FIRE & BLOOD would still find the scenes heart-rending. Maelor did not actually DO anything in the scene, after all. How could he? He was only two years old.
There is another aspect to the removal of the young princeling, however.
Those of you who hate spoilers should STOP READING HERE. Spoilers will follow, at least for the readers among you. If you have never read FIRE & BLOOD, maybe it does not matter, because all I am going to “spoil” here are things that happen in the book that may NEVER happen on the series. Starting with Maelor himself.
Sometime between the initial decision to remove Maelor, a big change was made. The prince’s birth was no longer just going to be pushed back to season 3. He was never going to be born at all. The younger son of Aegon and Helaena would never appear.

Most of you know about the Butterfly Effect, I assume.
Yes, there was a movie with that title a few years back. It’s a familiar concept in chaos theory as well. But most science fiction fans were first exposed to the idea in Ray Bradbury’s classic time travel story, “A Sound of Thunder,” wherein a time traveler from the present panics and crushes a butterfly while hunting a T-Rex. When he returns to his own time, he discovers that the world has changed in huge and frightening ways. One dead butterfly has rewritten history. The lesson being that change begets change, and even small and seemingly insignificant alterations to a timeline — or a story — can have a profound effect on all that follows.
Maelor is a two year old toddler in FIRE & BLOOD, but like our butterfly he has an impact on the story all out of proportion to his size. The readers among you may recall that when it appears that Rhaenyra and her blacks are about to capture King’s Landing, Queen Alicent becomes concerned for the safety of Helaena’s remaining children, and takes steps to save them by smuggling them out of the city. The task is given is two knights of the Kingsguard. Ser Willis Fell is commanded to deliver Princess Jaehaera to the Baratheons at Storm’s End, while Maelor is given over to Ser Rickard Thorne to be escorted across the Mander to the protection of the Hightower army on its way to King’s Landing.
Willis Fell delivers Jaehaera safely to the Baratheons at Storm’s End, but Ser Rickard fares less well. He and Maelor get as far as Bitterbridge, where he is revealed as a Kingsuard in a tavern called the Hogs Head. Once discovered, Ser Rickard fights bravely to protect his young charge and bring him to safety, but he does not even make it across the bridge before some crossbows bring him down, Prince Maelor is torn from his arms.. and then, sadly, ripped to pieces by the mob fighting over the boy and the huge reward that Rhaenyra has offered for his capture and return.
Will any of that appear on the show? Maybe… but I don’t see how. The butterflies would seem to prohibit it. You could perhaps make Ser Rickard’s ward be Jaehaera instead of Maelor, but Jaehaera can’t be killed, she has a huge role to play as Aegon’s next heir. Could maybe make Maelor a newborn instead of a two year old, but that would scramble up the timeline, which is a bit of a mess already. I have no idea what Ryan has planned — if indeed he has planned anything — but given Maelor’s absence from episode 2, the simplest way to proceed would be just to drop him entirely, lose the bit where Alicent tries to send the kids to safety, drop Rickard Thorne or send him with Willis Fell so Jaehaera has two guards.
From what I know, that seems to be what Ryan is doing here. It’s simplest, yes, and may make sense in terms of budgets and shooting schedules. But simpler is not better. The Bitterbridge scene has tension, suspense, action, bloodshed, a bit of heroism and a lot of tragedy. Rickard Thorne is a tertiary character at best, most viewers (as opposed to readers) will never know he is gone, since they never knew him at all… but I rather liked giving him his brief moment of heroism, a taste of the courage and loyalty of the Kingsguard, regardless of whether they are black or green.
The butterflies are not done with us yet, however. In the book, when word of Prince Maelor’s death and the grisly manner of his passing (pp. 505) reaches the Red Keep, that proves to be the thing that drives Queen Helaena to suicide. She could barely stand to look at Maelor, knowing that she chose him to die in the “Sophie’s Choice” scene… and now he is dead in truth, her words having come true. The grief and guilt are too much for her to bear.
In Ryan’s outline for season 3, Helaena still kills herself… for no particular reason. There is no fresh horror, no triggering event to overwhelm the fragile young queen.
And the final butterfly follows soon thereafter.
Queen Helaena, a sweet and gentle soul, is much beloved by the smallfolk of King’s Landing. Rhaenyra was not, so when rumors began to arise that Helaena did not kill herself, but rather was murdered at Rhaenyra’s command, the commons are quick to believe them. “That night King’s Landing rose in bloody riot,” I wrote on p. 506 of FIRE & BLOOD. It is the beginning of the end for Rhaenyra’s rule over the city, ultimately leading to the Storming of the Dragonpit and the rise of the Shepherd’s mob that drives Rhaenyra to flee the city and return to Dragonstone… and her death.
Maelor by himself means little. He is a small child, does not have a line of dialogue, does nothing of consequence but die… but where and when and how, that does matter. Losing Maelor weakened the end of the Blood and Cheese sequence, but it also cost us the Bitterbridge scene with all its horror and heroism, it undercut the motivation for Helaena’s suicide, and that in turn sent thousands into the streets and alleys, screaming for justice for their “murdered” queen. None of that is essential, I suppose… but all of it does serve a purpose, it all helps to tie the story lines together, so one thing follows another in a logical and convincing manner.
What will we offer the fans instead, once we’ve killed these butterflies? I have no idea. I do not recall that Ryan and I ever discussed this, back when he first told me they were pushing back on Aegon’s second son. Maelor himself is not essential… but if losing him means we also lose Bitterbridge, Helaena’s suicide, and the riots, well… that’s a considerable loss.
And there are larger and more toxic butterflies to come, if HOUSE OF THE DRAGON goes ahead with some of the changes being contemplated for seasons 3 and 4…
GRRM

Essa série já era

[Wukong SSJ]

Falou o básico que todos que leram o livro podem apontar.

HBO economizando no orçamento com poucas batalhas/dragões, produtores forçando personagens femininas pq sim, vários acontecimentos do livro sendo modificados pelos produtores que vão afetar no futuro, etc